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Welcome to Courageous Parenting Podcast, a weekly show to equip parents with biblical truth on raising confident Christian kids in an uncertain world.

Hi, I’m Angie from Courageous Mom and Isaac.

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Org. Join us as we start another important conversation about effective parenting in a fallen world. Welcome to the show. Hey guys. Big announcement. We are planting a church and but this is going to be practical insights on really. You know, why we’re planning a traditional brick and mortar church and not a home church.

And that’s right. We’re also going to share with you guys some awesome testimonies. Do you like hearing about how God is moving and and, you know, honestly, I’m super encouraged by that. And lately I’ve been feeling like God’s been kind of rolling out the red carpet, so to speak, as far as like, this is the path. Stay on this path right here. Let’s go.

Feel like the Lord’s been a little pushy on me? Yeah. Pushing. Pushing me in a direction. No, no.

Don’t go that way. Stay right here on this path. Right here. So we’re going to share some of those testimonies with you guys also.

You know some aspects of that you can really gain from I think of what our heart is for the church and should be part of the church and how the body of Christ can be stronger. So we’re going to really talk about some of those things. Obviously, we’ve learned a lot being part of different churches, planting churches. And we’ll bring you up to speed on this process too. And I think it’ll be episode that’s super encouraging regardless of where you go to church.

So of course, we’re also going to share an unprecedented times tip, but courageous parenting action, um, challenge, if you will, which is always fun. That’s always at the end of the podcast, so make sure you stay for the end of that. But you guys, we just wanted to say thank you. Thank you for following along. Thank you for being here. You know, you had it on your heart to share with people about be Courageous ministry real quick, because some people might be thinking, oh, you’re planting a church. What does that mean for be courageous ministry? Yeah.

And you guys know I’m working hard. Our family works hard on this and that’s going to stay the same. I’m going to be by vocational time is the challenge. We only have so much time. And so I’ve really looked at how I could use my time even better, but also how somebody else could take things off my plate and do those things. So we’ve been reinvesting once again. Many of you have been helping us reinvest and we hired somebody that’s taken on 20 hours a week of extra things beyond what’s, uh, from my plate, basically, and some extra things that needed to get done that weren’t getting done. And in fact, that’s even enabling us to continue with the Resolute Man Show and launch a third podcast on motherhood. Angie’s in the house for that. That’s so that’s coming out on Monday soon. Great parenting on Tuesdays. Resolute man on Wednesdays. So let’s go. Busy busy.

Week.

We’re still committed 100% to Double Impact Vision this year. We’re having the biggest impact ever this year. Be courageous ministry. And but we need help to make it double impact, which is the vision to get on track for 10 Million Legacies movement, which is impacting 10 million legacies with biblically sound resources and messages that spread across the world. You know, 194 countries are people are listening in on a weekly basis.

It’s exciting. Then we have the Be Courageous app, which is really cool. For those of you who are in there, we have the live that’s on Wednesdays where we do kind of podcast extras and we do a Q&A every week in the in the Be Courageous app. And then Fridays I do a heart of the home Bible study, which is an hour long Bible study with women in the Courageous Mom group.

So. So I’ve said this many times God often shows up at the end of your own strength. That’s exactly where I am. I’m at the end of my own strength, far beyond it, I would say. And God is showing up and he’s revealing things to me. He’s helping. He’s bringing people together. And I know I’ve only met some of those people so far. I’m so excited to meet the more people that are jumping on, to be part of this journey of bringing new biblical church to Horseshoe Bend, Idaho.

Which is exciting. Okay, so before we dive into the fun testimonies and talking about why we’re planning a church and you’re going to share about like church culture and the things that are going to be really honing in what we’re building. Right. Um, I just wanted to share with you guys because as you know, from the last few podcasts, the last couple of months, we are partnering with some awesome organizations that also have the same heart we have. They want to help equip parents to be able to be raising up strong kids who are launching into their generation, into the community, and they’re on fire for Christ. And that takes a lot of intentionality and parenting. So we have partnered with an awesome sponsor, Master Books. You guys may have heard me mention them, but I’m bringing them up because we are in an awesome giveaway with them right now. If you go to Master books.com/courageous, you can enter the giveaway. Anybody in the US can enter. Um, we have three different packages, so it doesn’t matter what age your kids are. I have kids all different ages, as you know, because I have nine from three years old all the way up to 24.

So we have homeschooled for almost for a very long time actually. This is our 21st year we just started. Wow. That’s a big deal. And so, you know, we have a package for smaller kids. We have a package for middle aged elementary school kids and a high school package as well. So if you are the winner, you get to choose which package. It’s pretty cool, a couple hundred dollars worth of curriculum. So go check it out. Master Books.com forward slash courageous. And also I just want to put a little pin in there. Please look at their science curriculums. Look at what they are offering for extra apologetics. Specifically, I got the apologetics program that they have for our high schoolers. We’re going to be going through it with Luke and Drew this year, and I’m super fired up about it, because some of the books there that Ken Ham is offering is like, what are people saying about the Bible in regard to truth? And so it’s literally the issues that we’re dealing with today. What does the Bible actually say? So that’s going to be fun. So find out more at Master books.com/courageous. Don’t forget.

The courageous. Hey we’re going to talk about why we’re doing this. But also we’ve in our story at the same time. And so yeah so you know many of you know we planted a home church here in town where we live in Idaho upon moving here, but not at first at first. The first year we were hoping to just join in somewhere, and we found some great churches in one in particular. We stayed at for a good while, but it was about 50 minutes away from where we live and we really felt this conviction. You know, we need to be in proximity and be in our own town. So let’s plant a home church. We had some other people encourage us to do so, which was great. And we did that. And it really fast grew. And at the height it grew to 16 families. And you know, what was really interesting about it is zero people were from where we live. Everybody came from 40 minutes to way over an hour away and came in, and we had really good attendance on Sundays, people. Most people came on Sunday and obviously sometimes people are sick. But it was a wonderful thing. But the challenge was everybody lived far apart. So it was hard to really experience that fruit of running the race together.

Yeah. So like if somebody had a baby or somebody family was sick, the thought of like even making a meal, though, I wanted to do it and they probably felt the same way about me or other people that were going to the church that were far from them in other directions. It just was hard because it’s like, okay, if I’m driving an hour and a half one way, that’s three hours of driving, plus the cooking time and all of the things, and you’re like, that makes it hard, which is very different than when we planted the home church in bend, Oregon. That’s still going right. Like you’re in proximity 5 to 20 minutes from everybody. It’s like you’re in each other’s lives, you’re doing life together. And that was kind of the benefit.

I think one of the interesting things was, I don’t think any of them were native to Idaho. They’d all moved within the last six years or so. True. Yeah. And so what was interesting is none of us were from Idaho, right? We’d all moved in, and it made us really think that, you know, really, maybe home church isn’t what our community needs, isn’t what people are comfortable with. And so we spent a year visiting churches and so forth this last year and really praying and started to go on a journey of what would it look like to plant a brick and mortar church in our town and really started to have a heart, a deeper heart for our town And really what is needed in thinking about what does this town need.

Mhm. You know, I will say at first, um, when we were initially encouraged by this because there were at least a handful, like I can think of five different people off the top of my head. Boom, boom, boom. That all were like at one point in the last year and a half. Hey, have you thought of planting a church here? Hey, can I take you guys out to lunch? Have you thought of planting a church? You know, and then, amazingly, as we were in this process. And the bugs in our ear. Right. Just from people in town. Have you thought of this? Um, going. Oh, interesting. What would that look like? And then the Lord brought the right people who had the knowledge of what that would look like. Um, church planting organization that we are partnering with, which is super. Yeah.

I went to a church planting conference. I spoke with the director, and I said, Horseshoe Bend needs a church. And I’m thinking, hey, maybe he knows of somebody. Maybe there’s already something in the works. Yeah. You know, because he seems to kind of be in the know of the pastors in the area and so forth. And very quickly you know, was focused on, you know.

Me.

Planting a church, which I was open to. I was open to that if God wants me to. But I was waiting on the Lord just to make sure that’s what he wants me to do. And, you know, one of the things this is one of our whys is to obey God. And when God calls you towards something and it becomes very clear, that is one place I do fear. I fear the Lord in that good way, that he’s an awesome God and I want to please him. And if he’s calling me to do something and it doesn’t look easy and it looks hard, and you wonder how there’s time for that, and these kinds of things, those things are irrelevant if God’s calling you to do something. And that became really clear. So I didn’t want to disobey God.

Yeah. And I appreciate that 100%. You know, I’ve always believed that God had a call similar something like this. You have been telling.

Me that our whole marriage.

I even thought it upon meeting you even before. I just thought that I thought to myself, man, if this guy gets saved, he could He could be a pastor. So many people would come to know the Lord. And like I thought, all those things. I just wish.

You had feelings for me. All you cared about was me knowing God. Which, by the way, that’s awesome.

Yeah, that’s a different story. You have to listen to a different podcast for our marriage story, but, you know. And in all in all fairness, I look at that and I go, wow, look at how encouraging that is to how many people feel a call, or they have this desire to do something and God can put it on your heart. And sometimes it’s not for the season that you’re in, right? Like I saw that 26 years ago in you. Wow. Like that’s. And now it’s coming to fruition. I mean, you’ve been you’ve been a head pastor or head elder of a few home churches in a sense, and been appointed to elder and so forth. But this is different in a different kind of way. And and it’s just interesting to me. But as we’re moving forward, we want to share some other wise with you guys. You know, one of the biggest things this is the biggest reason is Isaac mentioned that we were just looked at around us and looked at the town and looked at what was needed. And and there really is a need for a strong, unapologetically biblical, solid Bible teaching. I’m talking expository teaching, Bible church that is going to be standing firm against progressive ideas. That’s going to speak truth and love. That’s going to be Jesus’s hands and feet, where the church is coming together to do good and be a light in the world.

That balance of being welcoming, where everybody is welcome to come, but is biblically true and right, and helping people to.

Grow, helping, helping people grow in the Lord and in truth. Right. And so, you know, there’s a need for there is a need for it. And it’s something that we’ve desired. Yeah. You know, so there is that personal element of like, our family needs a church. I’m just gonna say it. That’s true. Our family needs a church. But not only that, that, you know, we we’ve met so many people. God has brought so many people into our lives in the last year who live near us, and they either believe in the Lord, but they’re unchurched, or they believe and they are committed to a church and they’re going to church, but they’re going pretty far away. And and we don’t want to take anyone away from their church. We we want you to we want people to stay committed if God has called them to those churches. Absolutely. But one of the things that we’ve heard over and over and over again, that we’ve experienced ourselves is that people are driving for an hour and they’re they may be rooted in their beliefs and rooted in Christ, but they’re not rooted in the body of Christ because it’s so far away. They’re experiencing the same thing that we were experiencing with the home church, with people living far away.

Right? Yeah. And so there is a need. There just is a need here. And then when we look at like the giftings that God has given us as a family, you know, we have Ethan and Megan who have this gift of leading worship. And to see them practicing that every Wednesday we’ve been hosting a special worship night. We’ve called it rooted Summer. So this was our 10th week, um, doing that. And those two have been leading worship. And then Isaac shares from the Bible. And then we spend some time in prayer, and then we just have fellowship together. And it’s just to get to know people in the area. And it’s been it’s been definitely there are times when it’s a challenge, like Isaac has said, because it’s like, okay, we’re hosting again, right? But that’s why I’m excited about having a building is that we can go to the building, but we can also practice hospitality. And it’s it’s hard to be able to have those intimate times with 1 or 2 families when you’re hosting big events all the time. And I’m excited to get back into the hosting people one on one and having that more intimate. Absolutely.

And so we’re praying through town. This is many months ago, and Angie’s praying over this plot of land in the middle of town, just a beautiful lot with a very small building on it. And that, that, that the church could be on that spot. And we hadn’t 100% committed yet, but we were very, very close. We were really walking towards planting a church.

Prayer walking and praying for a property very close to that. And then all of a sudden that property went for sale. And I texted Isaac a picture of it, and I went, I feel like God is nudging me to pray for that place, that there would be a church there someday. Not necessarily for us, but yeah.

And then a few months later, somebody calls and says, an angel investor is interested in buying a property in town. If you’re following through and planting a church, if you would be the pastor and plant the church. And and I’m like, wow, that sounds interesting. Let’s go look at it. And he takes us right to the exact property Angie was praying for. And she starts crying. And it’s just this amazing God thing, and, uh, only God can do that. Long story short, that gentleman followed through in purchasing the property and is leasing it to the church with first right to purchase. Uh, and very generous terms and within a quite a long period of time. So really, the goal is that the church can be right there in the center of town and eventually, you know, if needed, build a building and these kinds of things. So it’s got a small building It’s about 1000ft², so I think we can fit maybe 70 people in there.

Um, yeah. So it’s 1000 square foot building. It’s a lot older, but it’s going to work totally fine.

Big one acre parcel, right?

So there’s there’s a lot of space for people and for activities and different things for gathering, which is exciting. And and it’s in the perfect location. It’s right in front of the part of the school right next to the public library. It’s literally in the center of town. And you guys, this is the crazy part. Like that. Only God can do that. Yeah, only God can do that kind of stuff. And I remember thinking, oh, well, we plan a church. Like, where would we meet? Like, you know. And God’s just already got it figured out because he’s already gone before you.

And people ask, hey, Isaac, I think that building is going to fill up kind of quick. I go, well, Lord willing, I don’t know what’s going to happen. I hope so, that would be fantastic. And, you know, uh, and I’m like, well, what do you do when when it’s full? I go, well, I just assumed the community would build a building together. You know, why can’t we do that?

I mean, we’ll either have a tent.

God will provide.

It’ll all work. Maybe a barndominium, I don’t know. I mean, who knows, right? God. God knows. No human knows, but God knows. Yeah. I’m going to share with you for a second, because I had mentioned that there are a lot of people who believe in the Lord, but they’re unchurched, meaning they don’t take the the trip over. And so this verse was one that was just really heavy on our hearts. It says, and let us consider how to stir one another up to love and good works, and not neglect the meat to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the day drawing near. And I, you know, I think of that like you, it is hard to stir one another up to good works if you’re not meeting on a regular basis. But this is talking about the church meeting time and not neglecting that time together. And so there’s two elements in here, right? Like God’s saying, hey, stir one another up to good works. So if you’re going to a church and you’re not experiencing that, that’s actually something that’s super important. And we want to encourage you guys to get connected on on the level of what we had experienced when we were doing home church. And even when we were apart, there was another family integrated church that we went to when we lived in Oregon That was just a phenomenal experience, and we had been taking our kids to church with us for a few years before we went there, but those churches were not super excited about that. There was always the pressure of, why don’t you put your kids in Sunday school, why don’t you put them in Sunday school? And we were like, because they need to go to church.

Well, there’s seeds. So let’s talk about the. So we were introduced to this concept, which we’ve been thinking about these things for years. But someone put it in a framework which is upper room and lower room activities in the church. Upper room being Jesus with his disciples, very much disciple making activity, people growing stronger in the Lord and loving each other well and reaching the lost and so forth. And on an individual level, right. Doing hospitality and being in each other’s lives, right? Really running the race together. If you’re running the race with people, there’s people beside you, there’s some right behind you, and there’s probably some ahead of you, unless you’re the leader of the race. And so you’re running together. But unfortunately, so many people today are on the track by themselves. And so and they’re.

Not being stirred up to good works or stirring other people up.

So how do you do upper more upper room activities? And then lower room is like, you know, giving a sermon, just talking at in two people and a programs and, you know, do their normal church stuff. Right.

Actually it feels more like a business or an organization. Right? Which is like I’m not saying it’s into these things.

I’m not saying it’s bad. You know, the churches need to do things. But what about the upper room activity? How much of that is happening and what percentage are people actually in church activities during the week and these kinds of things in a world that’s changing and we’re in unprecedented times, people are more distracted than ever, and people can feel like they’re connected to people by having social media and all this technology and access to things, but actually are lonelier than ever. The stats show. So what in depression is growing all these things? There’s problems with the youth. About 70 to 80% of the youth are leaving the faith from Christian homes by age 18 and are walking away from the church at least, which is about the same thing it seems like usually. But so. So there’s this challenge. And so as we’re thinking about this, you know, when we do home church, we love home church because it’s almost all upper room activities. You’re all together in close proximity. You’re growing, you’re known. Nobody can just show up and leave without being talked to and connected with. People are doing hospitality because they’re getting to know each other, and trust is building really fast and these kinds of things. Of course, we did all the things that in church that we’ll continue to do in traditional church. Acts 242 talks about them, and it says, and they devoted themselves to the apostles teaching.

So that’s the teaching of the Bible and the fellowship to the breaking of bread and prayers. Okay. So those four things in other places in the Bible talks about worship as well. So there’s five things talked about in the Bible that are important part of the church meeting we did those during home church. If you’ve ever heard of a church home church not doing those things, maybe they called themselves a church, but it was more of a Bible study or a we always did full church and with all five of those things, and that was important. But now, how do you do upper room activities in a traditional model where it grows with more people and so forth? And I think it has a lot to do with the culture that’s created. And there’s certain things that we hope to that we are going to do that are slightly different than a large number of the churches out there. There are churches doing these things out there, which is really cool. And when I hear the stories, you hear of a lot of fruitfulness in them. And one of them, Angie mentioned, which is age integration, um, during the church meeting. So parents and children sitting together, families sitting together during the meeting.

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It’s not just the church’s fault. It’s not. It’s parents need to be discipling their children. That’s why we have the Courageous Parenting podcasts. Why we do Be Courageous Ministry is to equip parents to raise confident, courageous kids for an uncertain world. And we we are by no means perfect. As parents. We’ve been parenting for a long time. We just lay ourselves out there and go, hey, this is something we struggle with. This is what the Bible says. This is what we are are doing. Share that kind of wisdom from hindsight. But here’s the deal. When it comes to church and family integration. If if parents are not having their kids with them in church, then their kids are not actually experiencing the church meeting. Sunday school does not include the five elements that you just listed and read in acts 242 and included worship. Those things are not always happening in the Sunday school room. And even if they were the fellowship, the breaking of bread, which is communion, right? Like kids are not experiencing those things in their Sunday school classrooms. So technically, for taking our kids to church on Sunday, they should be sitting in the church meeting with us. Otherwise, what we’re doing is we’re taking our kids to Sunday school while we go to church.

And we’re also creating ageism, which is also created in the education system where you only talk to people your age or older, and these kinds of things start happening, and adults don’t want to talk to children, and that needs to happen. There needs to be a comfortability of talking to different ages and so forth, and you just see that naturally happen. You always, from a business perspective in my business walk is you have to see, look at the positive and negative ripple effects of all your decisions. And I just see so many positives of being age integrated. One of the challenges is for parents to actually have their young children sitting still, and that is a challenge. And we’ve helped people and encouraged people different ways to do that. We’ve given a podcast on that before and we’ve had to do that. We still have to do that. We have a three year old. It’s not easy, but it’s worth it and it’s so worth it. Plus, I love hearing the sounds of children. I’m around children all the time. I have nine children I’m used to. I can give a sermon and not be bothered when I hear noises of children in the audience, and I think that that’s important. I think that the children should be welcomed. What did Jesus say? Children come to me.

Yeah. I mean, Matthew 1914. I was just going to say it says actually verse 13, then the children were brought to him, that he might lay his hands on them and pray. And the disciples rebuked the people. But Jesus said, let the little children come to me. Do not hinder them, for such belongs the kingdom of heaven. And he laid his hands on them and he went away. And I think that this just shows us that Jesus is making a point here. He’s like, hello, the it is these kids. Such is the kingdom of heaven. That’s a big deal. And for us as adults to learn from Jesus. But also there are verses that just come to mind, right? Like having faith like a child. How much do we as parents learn from children and their their deep faith? How many times have Isaac, you and I have done podcast episodes alone on walking through trials as parents and how we have encouraged our kids in the times where we even struggled to pray with faith for really big things like God’s going to give us a house, for example, or he’s going to bring us out of the business failure thing or whatever, you know, whatever you experienced. And we invited the kids to join us in praying for those things because you were humble enough to not hide and you were willing to say, this is something we’re struggling with, and they would pray for it. And then they saw God answer their prayers, and their faith grew, and so did ours. And so I think there’s something powerful there is.

And when you’re worshiping together, you’re worshiping with your children. How amazing is that? You’re seeing your little four year old singing to the Lord, and you’re driving home and you’re able to talk about the same things because y’all were taught the same thing. And there are ways to talk about anything in Scripture in a way that doesn’t hurt little ears. Right? And I think we need to be able to preach the whole Bible, and it’s all we can preach, all of it to anybody listening.

That’s right. So, you know, for us, we’re going to try to take that aspect, that of family integration, and that’s going to be part of the church. It’s not that we are anti program, it’s that we just we’re going to start out as simple as we can. And it’s a ground roots effort. We’re hoping that the people that God brings to the church have the perspective of I’m going to join in and what God’s doing here. And recognizing that we’re all members of the body of Christ. And let’s look at the giftedness and see what where people want to serve. And we’re going to build this thing together. It’s going to be exciting But that being said, you know, we’re open to doing Sunday school in the future if we have to, but it would be an additive thing. It would never be at the same time as a church service, just because of the things that we have seen the need for kids. I mean, think about this alone kids being in a service where they witness a baptism. Oh yeah. And then they’re like, what was that? I want to learn about.

The right questions and interest.

Right. Like literally everything that you could potentially experience in a church meeting could be an opportunity that really is like a tug on a little kid’s heart where they start asking the most important questions of their life.

What about the mom? That’s just like, I’m so tired and I need a break, and I just want to listen to the Lord and actually hear the sermon. Angie, I.

Know well, I’ve been there for many years because we started having our kids sit with us when Kelsey was five, and so and she’s 24 now. So I’ve been doing that in churches.

Where often we were the only ones doing it.

Yeah, actually. So at our church, you won’t be the only one doing it. You don’t have to deal with that outsiderness that I experienced. No. But and and and you know, I, I my heart goes out to them. We’re going to we’re going to have some sessions, um, where us moms are going to get together. And I’m going to share some tips on how to help your kids, to know how to sit still in church and and how to train them during the week so that they’re ready to be able to sit in a church service. Um, and but here’s the thing. Like Isaac said, he doesn’t care about the little noises. That’s the sign that the church is thriving. If you don’t have little children. Whoa. Big problem. Too quiet. Does that mean the church is going to die soon? I mean, I hate to say it, but, you know, you need to have a good demographics and for the elders to really cherish and delight in the littles. And that the littles would not be apprehensive about building relationships with older people, that they would see them as valuable and wanting to learn from them. And that only comes from kids rubbing up against people of all different ages.

So the other thing we’re going to do is a potluck every week after church. And that is so good. Right. But the positive ripple effect of that is it spurs on hospitality because walls are being broken down. Yeah, parents aren’t racing to get in line to get their kids and not talking to each other and then fighting the parking lot to get to lunch as fast as possible. Instead, we’re all together, and then we can transition into potluck and spending time together, whoever wants to. No one has to stay, right? Sometimes people can’t. They’re doing other things. But everybody’s welcome to stay. Bring a dish that everybody can participate in and then boom, we’re we’re we’re hanging out together. And that breaks down walls. And what we’ve seen is it spurs on hospitality. The Bible actually commands us to do hospitality. And that is how people grow deeper and stronger in an authentic way that’s not, uh, forced in a way, from a programmatic, programmatic way by the church.

And it’s it. Hospitality truly is one of those things that I think a lot of people will use as an excuse. They’ll go, oh, that’s not my spiritual gift. But you know what? It’s actually not listed in the in the list of spiritual gifts. It’s like you said, it’s something God calls us all to. You can’t even be somebody.

Can’t even be an elder unless they’re given to hospitality. And it’s not that everybody should be an elder. It’s. But I strive for it. We should all, all, all the guys should strive for, um, for that qualification. That’s right.

So, Isaac, why don’t we tell people the name of the church so that they can and tell them where they can find out about it? Yeah.

We’d love your prayers and encouragement. If you want to get on the email list to Rooted Bible church. Org Rooted Bible Church. Org, take a look. Uh, get on the list and we’ll be emailing out what you can pray for and things like that, and support and so forth. And so it’s just we’re so excited. It’s something new. It’s adding on to what we’re already doing. We’re not going to do less of what we’re doing. In fact, we pray and hope that God just takes be courageous ministry to a whole new heights. Um, as we’re being obedient in in this additional area.

Yeah. And we definitely need to because we have to be able to support more staff members. Right. So you have more time to do that? Absolutely.

And as of right, I mean, the goal is that Be Courageous Ministries still supports our family and supports itself. There’s a lot of expenses in and of itself and those kinds of things. And you’re bi.

Vocational as a pastor. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And that’s something that we’ve had a conviction about for a long time because we have a large family. And so we know that there is a need for that. And and, you know, when you were when you and I were praying about the name and we were working with a church planting organization and we were like putting some names out there getting we actually sent out an email to people on our list too and said, hey, what do you think about these? You know, which one do you like best? And and that was kind of fun. And we also did that with logos, with the people who have been coming to our Wednesday night. And there’s just so many things like, we can’t even tell you all of the stories we’ve been. Isaac’s been going through pastoral training and the church planting organization spent a week. I mean, they took us for four days to Texas, you and I, and we did this assessment thing with all these pastors. I’ve never been.

Drilled to such a level 13 pastors drilling us for three days.

Yeah. And then then we had a clinical psychologist, a Christian clinical psychologist doing marriage counseling. He was like, digging in. Okay, let’s talk about this. Let’s talk about that. Yeah. It was so good. It was intensive.

We were so encouraged.

We haven’t shared any of that stuff. Like anywhere online, on the podcast, any of this stuff. And, you know, we probably like it’s not be courageous ministry stuff. It’s rooted Bible church stuff.

Totally separate things.

So if you want information on how you can be praying for us and supporting us, because we get that a lot like you got to sign up for the Rooted Bible emails, which is on the website, but you can also follow on Instagram and Facebook. Right, Isaac? Yeah, rooted Bible Church on Instagram.

You just find it. If you search for Rooted Bible.

Church, you’ll see our logo. But the first week that we hosted this worship night, I want you to share, you shared a verse that in Ephesians chapter three, verses 14 through 20. Yeah. Um, and there were a couple of things in there that to me, I was like, wow, I have read this so many times, but I like the words didn’t pop out to me. The same. So I want to give you guys a clue. When Isaacs read, listen for the words. Every family.

All right, so here we go. For this reason, I bow my knees before the father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named. There was that according to the riches of his glory, he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. That you, being rooted and grounded in love, may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. And so now verse 20, here, now to him who is able to do far more abundantly than all that we ask or think, according to the power at work within us. To him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

You know, I love that because when when we were praying about what the town needs, what what we see. Yeah the Lord just kept saying, routed over and over again. You know, we have people here who multi-generations in this town. It’s pretty cool. And we have put our roots down. When we moved here, we knew we planned.

To live here forever. That’s right. Lord willing. Yeah.

And and so there was already this, like, theme of rootedness. But then when you read scripture like this and it’s about being rooted and grounded in love, and it’s it’s about being rooted in his word and being strong in the Lord and, and walking with other people who aren’t in, lifting them up and, and taking them along on the way. Right. Yeah. And teaching them the word and discipling them and just thinking about how there’s this beautiful image of being rooted in the Bible, rooted in Christ, rooted in the body of Christ, and rooted where God put you. Yeah. And it’s it’s a powerful thing for us to really give our best in all the things that we’re doing. So it’s exciting and we’re excited to be on this journey together. Now let’s let’s wrap it up with the unprecedented times.

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Okay. So it’s so important. I mean, one of the things of us planning a church is wanting to be in proximity and encourage a growing strength of believers in proximity where we live in reaching the lost as well, because we’re in unprecedented times. And it’s going to become more important than ever that you know your neighbors, that you build trust with people where you live, that you can lock arms with people and help each other. There may come a time where certain things in society don’t work as well as they are right now, for various reasons, and it’s going to be important that we’re already have built those relationships. We already have trust with people, and we’re going down that road. And when you unite on Christ, that is a different level of trust. That is incredible. And so and I think that in the coming years, the church is going to become more essential in helping the communities. And so we really believe we believe this town was a little vulnerable in a way, because there wasn’t a vibrant, growing biblical church that’s adhering to the the Word of God, but also willing to talk about issues in society and what’s going on and never afraid of saying what’s true.

Um, I think of Matthew chapter six, verse 33 that says, but seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. And again, we see in, in in three of the Gospels where Jesus is wrapping up, he’s saying he’s wrapping up all the law and the prophets and two commandments, the first and greatest commandment to love the Lord your God with your whole heart, mind, soul and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. And there’s this element of like as Christians, are we obeying the most basic commandments that God gave us? Because if we love him with our whole heart, mind, soul, and strength, then we’re going to desire to love other people. But we have to do that first. We have to love God first in order to be enabled and equipped, to be able to love others well. And that’s what the church is for, is helping people to love God, to know God more, to grow in spiritual maturity. And and so, you know, running the race, it’s important who you run the race with. You want to be walking with people, but it’s also, as Christians, we’re called to be a part of the body of Christ. And so if you’re listening today and you don’t have a strong, um, deep biblical community, I just want to challenge you to find that deep biblical community, to find people that you can run the race with, to be praying for God, to make known what his will is for your family, what his will is for the body of Christ that’s near you. And instead of being so, um, in a place of like looking at the hard things, let’s start looking for the opportunities. It’s just like in parenting, when our kids have a bad behavior or something, it’s easy to get like overwhelmed or think of the glass half empty. But we need to start viewing things as opportunities for the ministry of reconciliation that God gave us in Second Corinthians chapter five and six.

One of the tips I got that’s most important in planting a church is getting people praying and praying yourself more than ever. And so I am inviting every single person I know. People listen from 194 countries around the world. I’m inviting every single person to pray for Rooted Bible Church, to pray for our family, to pray for the people that are involved, to pray for the people of Horseshoe Bend, Idaho. Look that up on a map. That’s where we are planting Rooted Bible Church in obedience to Christ. And we’re so excited about this journey that’s extra on top of everything we have going on, would you be praying for leaders to rise up for volunteers to join in? For it to be a total team effort?

It would be a God thing. This isn’t like this isn’t the Tobin’s church. This is God’s.

Church. This is God’s.

Church. We’re just joining him.

And so join the prayer team by signing up on the email list at Rooted Bible Church. Org, and we’ll give you feedback on what to pray for. But be praying for us and we so appreciate it. Would you be on our prayer team that would really help us.

See you next time. Hey, thanks for listening and being a part of the 10 Million Legacies movement. Go to be courageous Ministry. Org for more biblically based resources, ways to switch where you spend your money that support the mission and information about the incredible Be Courageous app community for believers.

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